As others have said, I think these are completely separate markets. not staged or controlled). The vast majority of the WAYMO cars I see are still having safety drivers. The internet can be weird sometimes. My point in all of this is that you’re right that Waymo and Tesla are not competing today. This is extremely random but the guy is wearing a Tally Hall shirt and I went to college with those guys. Everyone is solving a Different challenge. Tesla falls in the former category of relying purely on computer vision based on cameras and radar sensors, while Waymo uses mapping on top … Strictly comparing performance, FSD is no where near Waymo. FSD needs to work on all streets, not just the easy ones in this small section of Arizona. Waymo LLC is an American autonomous driving technology development company. If they match that wuality for city driving (despite requiring human supervision), people will absolutely love that too. Based on the reports of Waymo One passengers, this happens enough to be noticeable. Waymo vs. Uber: unsealed court documents reveal damning evidence Anthony Levandowski, Uber’s fired self-driving car engineer, founded his own church View all 26 stories Tesla is really trying to build an L5 car. Their mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. Uber was racking up millions of test miles … I just want to say that I'm completely bullish on self-driving, but it seems to me like Tesla's approach might be absolutely genius. Point is, we don’t know yet. Like any data-based product, the more it’s used, the better it gets. It’s only the shortest trips for me that only involve surface streets, and for those, I don’t mind driving myself. This makes me excited for the day I can lean back in my seat and watch Hulu as my car drives me places. It was iPhone and Android. The issue is not vision. This is because I live in the suburbs, and freeways make up the majority of my commute. I'm not suggesting any of the ideas in this post are groundbreaking, but I want to hear people's thoughts. Edge cases involve more than unique scenarios that needs an algorithm. Or in the mid 2000s, what cell phone will be the best, Nokia or Blackberry? I think they will get there but a few months is beyond ridiculous. Clearly Waymo and others are having immense trouble with that last 0.01% of scenarios where a safety driver has to take over. No, there is nothing that points toward needing communication between cars to achieve FSD. Is it unreasonable to expect a factor of 10 improvement in the next two years? It’s like getting to practice surgery on live patients while having a real surgeon standing next to you. That is still too unreliable to be a fully self driving taxi service with no safety driver. Clearly Waymo and others are having immense trouble with that last 0.01% of scenarios where a safety driver has to take over. Zoox Cruise Waymo. Overall it seems to be pretty good, maybe slightly ahead of FSD Beta, but that is hard to quantitate. Want to comment? Personally, I think their approach of having to HD map the area where they drive is not easily scaled up. By Sahil Gupta | Updated: 13-Nov-20 03:34 PM IST 0 Views Waymo is no spring chicken. And provides super human safety 0% of the time. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Over the last few months, Tesla … Thoughts on Tesla vs. Waymo I'm not suggesting any of the ideas in this post are groundbreaking, but I want to hear people's thoughts. Whom do you think is ahead in terms of Self driving technology? If they can work out a recovery system where they simply take a different route for unprotected lefts, they can have that problem 1 in 5 trips and I think they could go to market. Holy shit, had no idea Waymo existed or this has been so... advanced. They have been driving these roads since 2016 to map them and perfect the car's SW. They produce electric vehicles (with a heavy focus on autonomy), batteries, and energy/solar products for the grid. Watch the video below. For example GPS is often said to be accurate to +/-3m when in reality this means nothing. Excellent way to think of reliability. Birthed in the moonshot seeking unit of Alphabet owned Google — Google X, this was the wacky … It is the automated planning and strategy. Previously Autopilot had three tiers: 1. Waymo's clarification is completely irrelevant to that route it took because it ended up going down the exact same road anyways. There is no guarantee that either approaches will achieve full self driving. "Having the car drive you for 95% of the time would be incredible for most people.". I disagree for Waymo. 2 years ago? V2X only comes in if you want to start optimizing things. Waymo has built an L4 car that can drive without you paying attention. This guy has a few other Waymo videos on his channel as well. I'm fine with an extra 2 minutes on a trip. In my Tesla, if the car brakes unexpectedly, slows, or swerves I’m much more forgiving because I know I can take over. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. News and discussion about self-driving cars. Tesla’s Full Self-Driving Beta system was caught on video impressively detecting and avoiding a deer crossing the road at night. Waymo, Alphabet's self-driving car company, was testing fully driverless cars and preparing for a commercial launch in the Phoenix area. Just a thought. Tesla vs Waymo: Why Elon Musk's Design Choice Could Win Autonomous Driving - “If you’re going to build artificial intelligence systems…camera is the way to go, because you can learn so much more... It’s a little bit more futuristic, so it’s a longer-term solution.” And my 2019 MX handles road construction, lane diversion and unmarked lanes without an issue (so far). Given that L5 is all but impossible or at the very least decades off; they are just working toward L3. As Uber and Tesla struggle with driverless cars, Waymo moves forward When it comes to self-driving cars, there's Waymo and then there's everyone else. Waymo and GM are … Altavista, Lycos, or Yahoo. They will be at 98% reliability for 95% of the time. Full Self-Driving which was a prepaid option and supposed to be fully autonomous Level 5 (what do Levels mean?) Most of the times Waymo needs to be taken over aren't life critical situations, but times when they get stuck. Feels like a click bait when there is no actual side by side comparison. Depends on the team but overall Waymo moves quite slow now as an old company. The race is on. Functionality may be similar, but reliability is not even comparable. Message me on Reddit: /u/DirtyTesla Twitter: @DirtyTesla ... Tesla VS Waymo - Who Will Win the ... $7,000 Tesla Autopilot vs $1,000 Openpilot: Self-Driving Test! I live in the Phoenix area where WAYMO is operating (Chandler AZ). Interesting to see how Waymo performs relative to other FSD Beta videos! Waymo, which started life as Google’s self-driving car project, has started I am more interested in the rate of progress. I understand that you think it's two separate markets, but I think once Tesla gets to that point and gets a flywheel going, they would take over very quickly. I can easily see FSD far surpassing this level of driving in a couple months, if not in a couple weeks depending on the rate of progess. Like most cities, this area has constant road construction and here, its year round due to the sunny weather. What will dominate web searches? Tesla’s advantage will be billions on commuter miles and not being responsible for accidents until the technology is ready. Whereas Waymo needs to get to a 100% with expensive sensors. There are 5 people making FSD videos for a week and there have already been interventions to prevent FSD from crashing. Even then there is a lot of debate to it's utility. Let's say they manage to get it to the point where the car needs to be taken over once every 50 rides. Navigant Research believes GM Cruise, Waymo and Ford are pulling ahead in autonomous drive while Tesla lags behind almost every competitor. Its a money-making product. I know this is very close to 100% but I thought it worth taking a guess at what is marketable. Tesla (formerly Tesla Motors) is a tech company based in Palo Alto, California with a mission to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. Let's say it will take Tesla 2 years to get there. Now all we need is someone with the FSD beta to drive to Chandler, Arizona and take the exact same trip! From what Shawn and others have reported, I'd say it's closer to 5%. This guy has a few other Waymo videos on his channel as well. While Waymo does appear to be a bit smoother overall in this video, it seems like it's only ever so slightly above FSD beta. Agreed! A GPS that is reliable to +/-3m 98% of the time is a good GPS where one that is +/-3M 91% of the time is crap. Waymo has been reported to be struggling with parking lots. 5G isn't needed by anything. Would be great to have a Tesla FSD beta car trail a Waymo car to get a true comparison. Both approaches are currently providing real world value so let’s appreciate it. Or an error in their maps or software that prevented them from taking a left. That is still too unreliable to be a fully self driving taxi service with no safety driver. "Absolutely" is about a firm a sign I can give that I agreed with your statement. To clarify, that means over a … I can see going from 1 in 20 rides needs an intervention to 1 in 200 to eventually 1 in 2000 and 1 in 20,000. Waymo vs. Uber trial date postponed to December Alphabet sought the later date to absorb recently unsealed documents By Andrew J. Hawkins @andyjayhawk Oct 3, 2017, 3:57pm EDT But I could see this L4 freeway feature being an area of market overlap that would have them competing directly. Waymo and Tesla are locked in a battle to reach the holy grail of full, level five autonomous driving first. If you prioritize work life balance then maybe Waymo is better. That is a great example where Waymo would have to go L5 instead of driving to the data base. As many other people have pointed out, Waymo is very very far ahead in terms of reliability. These companies are in different markets, and I cannot think of any market overlap. Can it drive at 99.999% reliability for 95% of the time? Options are worth at most the underlying. Wondering why it took a loop instead of Turning left. They will be at 98% reliability for 95% of the time... which means it replaces the driver for 0% of the time. Most engineering ratings are done this way and I wish it would bubble up to how society thinks in general. Waymo and Argo and Cruise type companies are thinking now and also 20 years from now. Lol Tesla is not comparable to these two. They fixed a few bugs so far that the beta drivers found. There’s little risk for Tesla or other manufacturers who choose this path. ... Reddit; At Tesla Autonomy Day, ... Waymo’s … Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Waymo achieved 1 disengagement every 8000 miles 5 years ago. For one thing, waymo right now is able to claim liability for their cars. But no, they won't tell you why the unit price is $11, even if you become an employee. It will be nice to have it when it arrives in a decade but nothing is waiting on it. I don't know how Tesla is going to charge $100,000 for this if there's a decent competitor. Approx. Waymo began manufacturing its own cheaper LIDAR sensors in 2011. If this is the case, then Its a bonus on vision based FSD over Lidar and maps. Enhanced Autopilot – a paid option that included auto steering plus distance cruise-control, summon, autopark and Navigate-on-Autopilot. Timothy B. Lee - Jan 17, 2018 8:32 pm UTC Thoughts? That is the path of least resistance economically. Let's argue! Report: GM and Waymo lead driverless car race; Tesla lags far behind GM’s acquisition of Cruise seems to be paying big dividends. driving. Waymo just published a blog post and paper describing how it tested imitation learning for path planning, something that Tesla has recently been reported.Waymo trained a path planning neural network to handle a few driving tasks using 1) imitation … I was on team Altavista, my friend was on team Yahoo and we both looked down on Lycos. Seems there are a lot of companies in the game. L3 like Tesla is aiming for is a huge benefit as long as everyone needs to own and drive cars. All very fair points! LOG IN or ... Another issue with Tesla is the industry technology being obsolete by the time Tesla is ready to ‘turn on’ FSD. Waymo,Cruise, Intel/Mobileye, and Tesla are the major contestants in the self-driving car race. Tesla is the long play. ; Each has developed a different business model. (To be clear, I’m talking about an L4 feature with an ODD of onramp to offramp. I am not talking about an L3 feature, nor would I be interested in one. There is a massive difference in reliability between crashing every couple of hours and having no safety driver driving around all day every day taking paying customers and not getting in a single crash. Would I be more interested in a feature that could drive me on surface streets as well? So for Tesla drivers its not really much of a problem. 3. Once again we were wrong. See r/TeslaLounge for laid back discussion, and more photos! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the SelfDrivingCars community. Having the car drive you for 95% of the time would be incredible for most people. Clearly Waymo and others are having immense trouble with that last 0.01% of scenarios where a safety driver has to take over. The original and largest Tesla community on Reddit! General. At Tesla Autonomy Day, Elon Musk and other executives explained the company's self-driving plans. The video is just of Waymo's system, but it is done by regular users of the system in Arizona (e.g. 1 44. facebook twitter reddit hacker news link. Level 4 full autonomy is a game changer. Despite Tesla's recent Autopilot fatality, this study shows that people still trust its self-driving system above others. There is nothing wrong with this strategy and one of the huge benefits is that they don't have to map. I'm thinking about joining them. I think it would have a lot to do with how it recovers. See r/TeslaLounge for laid back discussion, personal experiences, and more photos! Timothy B. Lee - … Waymo seems to drive 99.999% reliably for 95% of the time. If Tesla can knock it out of the park and provide a ton of value at L3, I think the mass adoption of those vehicles and the data collected from them, would allow them to accelerate even quicker to L5 or somewhere close. How did Waymo perform in the east coast compared to the west coast? I guess Tesla could go for L4 but they would need to start up a very expensive mapping operation and I don't think their margins will allow for that. Am I missing a piece? This is different from Tesla which does not have restrictions on areas with their beta program, but Tesla has drivers. The Tesla CEO called Waymo’s tech ‘ fragile ‘ pointing to the fact that the Waymo Driver system only works in a 50 square-mile area in Arizona that has been previously mapped. As others have pointed out, they service a _VERY_ small area in a Phoenix suburb. But freeways would be pretty good for me, and it seems like it’s an easier milestone to achieve. Driver assist is a cute toy. There are random events that occur that will take a long time to build into the algos. Tesla, INCLUDING Elon Musk blamed the driver and immediately retreated to say they should have been attentive and the system was not intended to be used in the way the driver was clearly tempted to use it. FSD beta can’t even do 1 disengagement every 80 miles. In April, Elon Musk declared that Tesla should have over a million level 5 autonomous vehicles manufactured by 2020. The largest (and original) Tesla community on Reddit! I think you are being generous. An unofficial forum of owners and enthusiasts. There is no guarantee that either approaches will achieve full self driving. WAYMO service map: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/waymo-coverage-map.png, Approx. The video is just of Waymo's system, but it is done by regular users of the system in Arizona (e.g. Waymo is constrained by the fact that it is only gathering real-world data via a fleet of about 500 to 600 self-driving Pacifica minivans. At the time, Waymo said it could lower the unit price from $75,000 for … Iterate from there. Not. Was there a factor of 10 improvement in 2 years? Car manufacturers have been around for 100 years though so the landscape might be a bit different than early web. Hopefully in the next couple months as more people get access to the FSD beta! Until we can achieve L5, this is the only known way to achieve that. Google/Waymo concluded early on that selling even a PORTION of their advanced technology to the automakers would lead inevitably to tragic accidents that will set back the greater effort immensely. Despite the numbers, people absolutely love Tesla autopilot. Rarely with technology do the early players end up being the long term winners. Maybe it wasnt confident enough to change multiple lanes and make a left. Whereas Waymo needs to get to a 100% with expensive sensors. That said, unless Tesla somehow to make it to L5 then yes, it won't change the world like L4 cars will. Oh how I wish we could do this. Something we never heard of at this point. Today most of the situations reported are unprotected left turns but you have to assume there other more problematic and rare situations. Zoox Vs Cruise vs Waymo. I think the plan that Google scrapped several years back was for an L3 feature.). This week on the Electrek Podcast, we discuss the most popular news in the world of sustainable transport and energy, including a discussion about Tesla making profits versus doing a … What a ludicrous statement. In a response to a tweet, Waymos official twitter handle emphatically said -yes- claiming its technology was superior than its -vocal- rivals. What I wouldn't be fine with is a trip where I had to get out and walk. I think I disagree with the separate markets idea though. The downside is they have to basically qualify every inch of every road the car drives on. A small snippet of the book focuses on the rather tragic accident wherein a Tesla driver was killed driving into the SIDE of a tractor-trailer. ‘Standard’ Autopilot – standard and free which included active safety like Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) 2. Cheap commercial L4 will change the world as we know it. I’ve experienced a SDC (not Tesla) at ~99.9% reliability and if you are a passenger and you realize that regardless of the number of nines you realize that any screwups cause you to loose all trust. The book Autonomy does a comprehensive job of addressing the concerns. 2. EDIT - I realize that I have completely failed to mention that I am referring to capability of the systems here, and not reliability. They have a very marketable product that people are willing to spend $8k for and it works. This is huge. More posts from the teslamotors community. That is pretty far along. I don't think Waymo needs to be 100%, they just need to get to 1 in 2k or 5k trips without an event where you have to exit the car or wait a very long time to continue your trip. is similar to traditional radar in that it uses pulses of electromagnetic radiation to detect nearby objects Not sure I would have called it a "toy" as there are a lot of people paying $8k for it and loving it. As a driver, even if you need to take over your car once every trip, that's not really much of a bother, and it adds immense value. TLDW - Waymo also struggles with turns, being overcautious in certain situations, strange routing, and sudden braking. That's probably quicker than it will take Waymo to get to 100%. Even local trips/errands usually involve freeway driving. The automaker discontinued the model back in … comments. Similarly, for the longer trips, I don’t mind driving myself to the onramp, and then driving again once I get to the offramp at my destination. If its a 5% of trips need intervention, how long ago was it 50% of trips needed intervention? Maps are In the same boat, maps aren’t needed in 20 years. I'm completely bullish on self-driving, but it seems to me like Tesla's approach might be absolutely genius. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/waymo-coverage-map.png. They have challenges just like anyone else but they’re solving the 20 year problem not today’s problem. FSD may require a communication protocol between vehicles and that communication protocol may require 5G speeds. ...50 rides. So Tesla can iteratively add value to their money making product using cheap sensors, and have a much lower bar for success. The conclusion of those in the field is that as soon as a technology is introduced (like Telsa FSD or Cadillac or Nissan) it is INEVITABLE that people will move quickly to a false sense of confidence and not be attentive. Tesla would be out of their minds to do that any time soon. It just seems like having the driver act as the safety driver is the only way to go for the foreseeable future and will let Tesla get ahead. Interesting to see how Waymo performs relative to other FSD Beta videos! They … The real company was Google. Can. Today they are. In February 2017, Waymo, the self-driving car company spun off by Google, filed a lawsuit against Uber, alleging the ride-hail giant stole its key technology. Press J to jump to the feed. Not sure what the "marketable" number is. TESLA service map: https://www.google.com/earth/. Having a direct 1:1 comparison would be exceptional. That should be a 1 in 2k to 5k trips event. Note, I believe Waymo is restricted to a certain area in Arizona. It is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc, the parent company of Google.Waymo operates a commercial self-driving taxi service that operates in the greater Phoenix, Arizona area called "Waymo One", with Chandler, Arizona fully mapped. As the ability to get self driving to 90% effectiveness becomes commodified and shared across multiple SDC companies, it seems like Tesla should be able to achieve this soon. FSD may require a communication protocol between vehicles and that communication protocol may require 5G speeds. Sure. Agreed. Nothing monumentally ground breaking about that rate of progress. I also travel to see family and friends ~120 miles away pretty frequently. Would be great to have a Tesla FSD beta car trail a Waymo car to get a true comparison. From the Q&A from the Waymo rider they noted that human intervention was far more common when they first started riding with them. Tesla agrees with me—they reported 0 miles of on-road testing in California in 2018. Ford, Volvo, GM, Waymo, TuSimple. Waymo is way more google-like in terms of culture. This reminds me of a conversation I used to have with my nerdy friends in high school 20 years ago. not staged or controlled). For those unaware, Tesla’s very first vehicle was a two-seater sports car named ‘Roadster’. Taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture, and also playing Devil’s Advocate a bit... For me personally, I see value in owning a car that can drive itself reliably on the freeway. It completely avoided making a super easy left-hand turn... 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